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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Autor</th> <th class="thCornerR">Wiadomość</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Schadoł</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Pią 6:45, 22 Gru 2006<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">niewiem muzyka nawet nawet ale wole troszke ine brzmienie wiec nie osadzam surowo <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Hermiona</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Śro 4:30, 11 Sty 2006<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Wiem ze sandrine zapodała kawałki listu do Tarji ale moze ktoś chciał by całość przeczytać to wklejam <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" border="0" /> <br /> <br /></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Cytat:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Dear Tarja, <br /> <br />It`s time to choose whether the story of Nightwish ends here or whether it <br />will still continue an undetermined period of time. We`ve been working with <br />this creation for 9 years and we are not ready to give up yet. Nightwish is <br />a way of life, something to live for, and we`re certain we can`t let it go. <br /> <br />Equally certain is the fact that we cannot go on with you and Marcelo any <br />longer. During the last year something sad happened, which I`ve been going <br />over in my head every single day, morning and night. Your attitude and <br />behavior don`t go with Nightwish anymore. There are characteristics I would <br />never have believed to see in my old dear friend. <br />People who don`t talk with each other for a year do not belong in the same <br />band. <br /> <br />We are involved in an industry where the business-side of things is a <br />necessary evil and something to worry about all the time. We are also a band <br />which has always done music from the heart, because of friendship and the <br />music itself. The mental satisfaction should always be more important than <br />money! Nightwish is a band, it`s an emotion. <br />To you, unfortunately, business, money, and things that have nothing to do <br />with those emotions have become much more important. You feel that you have <br />sacrificed yourself and your musical career for Nightwish, rather than <br />thinking what it has given to you. <br />This attitude was clearly shown to me in the two things you said to me in an <br />airplane in Toronto: ”I don`t need Nightwish anymore.” and ”Remember, <br />Tuomas, that I could leave this band at any time, giving you only one day`s <br />warning in advance”. <br />I can`t simply write any more songs for you to sing. <br /> <br />You have said yourself that you are merely a ”guest musician” in Nightwish. <br />Now that visit ends and we will continue Nightwish with a new female <br />vocalist. <br />We`re sure this is an equally big relief to you as it is for us. We have all <br />been feeling bad long enough. <br /> <br />You told us that no matter what, the next Nightwish album will be your last <br />one. However, the rest of us want to continue as long as the fire burns. So <br />there`s no sense in doing that next album with you, either. <br />The four of us have been going over this situation countless times and we <br />have realized that this is the thing we want to do in life. It´s all we can <br />do. In December 2004, in Germany, you said that you will never tour again <br />for more than two weeks at a time. You also said that we can forget about <br />U.S. and Australia because the fees and the sizes of venues are too small. <br /> <br />In interviews I`ve mentioned that if Tarja leaves, that would be the end of <br />the band. I understand that people will think this way. Nightwish is, <br />however, a scenery of my soul and I`m not ready to let go because of one <br />person. A person who wants to focus her creativity to somewhere else, a <br />person whose values don`t match mine. <br /> <br />We were never bothered by the fact that you didn`t participate in <br />writing/arranging songs, you never in 9 years came to rehearse the songs <br />with us before going to the studio. Not the fact that while on tour you <br />always wanted to fly, separately from us with your husband. Not the fact <br />that you are an undisputable front image of the band. <br />We accepted and felt ok about everything except greed, underestimating the <br />fans, and breaking promises. It was agreed by the five of us that Nightwish <br />would be the priority in everything that we do during 2004-2005. Still so <br />many things were more important to you. The ultimate example being the <br />already sold-out show in Oslo, which you wanted to cancel because you needed <br />to rehearse for your solo concerts, meet frieds and go to the movies. Those <br />were the words Marcelo used in an e-mail explaining the cancellation. This <br />being just one example of so many. I couldn`t think of a worse way of being <br />selfish and dismissing our fans. <br /> <br />Nightwish is a way of life and a job with many obligations. To each other <br />and to the fans. With you we can`t take care of those duties anymore. <br /> <br />Deep within we don`t know which one of you drove us to this point. Somehow <br />Marcelo has changed you from the lovely girl you were into a diva, who <br />doesn`t think or act the way she used to. You are too sure of your <br />irreplaceableness and status. <br /> <br />It`s obvious that you blame your stress and misery on us four. And you think <br />we don`t respect or listen to you. Belive us; We have always had the <br />uppermost respect towards you as a wonderful vocalist and as a friend. And <br />very often during the past couple of years the plans were made according to <br />your decisions only. You were always the only one who wanted more money from <br />the shows. <br />This ”compensation and more money from everything” –attitude is the fact <br />that we are most disappointed of! <br /> <br />We wish that from now on you will listen to your heart instead of Marcelo. <br />Cultural differences combined with greed, opportunism and love is a <br />dangerous combination. Do not wither yourself. <br /> <br />This decision is not something we are especially proud of but you gave us no <br />choice. The gap between us is too wide. And the decision is made by us four <br />unanimously. We are beyond the point where things could be settled by <br />talking. <br /> <br />All the best for your life and career, <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />Tuomas</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br />smutne to i przykre niestety :/ ja ostatnio nie miałam czasu i dopiero sie dowiedziałam przed chwilą... no cóż jeśli się tak zachowywała to dobrze zrobili z 2 strony szkoda świetnego głosu <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_sad.gif" alt="Sad" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Sandrine</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Pon 7:54, 14 Lis 2005<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Heh....Epica...też może pasować, ale Floor jak chce to potrafi ładnie zaśpieać <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" border="0" /> <br />Heh....A coś mi się wydaje z wywaleniem Tarji, że tojeszcze oc coschodziło</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Varpunen</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Sob 21:23, 12 Lis 2005<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">W życiu nie słyszałam o takiej piosence NW, więc jej z pewnością nie ma <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" border="0" /> <span style="font-size: 7px; line-height: normal">Chyba</span> <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /> <br /> <br />Co do Floor z AF - jak dla mnie, zdecydowanie nie pasowałaby do NW... Ma zbyt "drapieżny" głos <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> Bardziej pasowałby mi ktoś o głosie podobnym do głosu Simone z Epicii. A to co pisze Tuo, wydaje mi się być prawdziwe - ten cały Marcelo, kilka artykułów z prasy - wszystko już wcześniej wskazywało na napiętą sytuację w zespole... No cóż - trudno ^^ <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" border="0" /> <br /> <br />A co do Upiora w Operze - matko, to jest boskie <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="Rolling Eyes" border="0" /> <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" border="0" /> <br />(A tak BTW, The Phantom Of The Opera/Nightwish na żywo, też jest niczego sobie <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> Właśnie słucham <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /> )</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>ronja</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Sob 14:46, 12 Lis 2005<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Nie wiem, czy to było już poruszne, bo nie zadałam sobie trudu, aby to przeczytać... ale ostatnio jak zapoznawałam się, ze ścieżką dżwiękową z "Upiora w operze" to ściągnęłam sobie piosenkę "Learn to be lonely" podpisaną Nightwish... Nigdy nie interesowałam się tym zespołem i nie znam żadnej innej piosenki, ale... <br />CZY WIECIE COŚ NA TEN TEMAT, CZY ZNACIE TĄ PIOSENKĘ??</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Sandrine</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Czw 20:18, 10 Lis 2005<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Ciekawe kogo teraz wybiorą ? <br />Pasowałaby tam Floor (After Forever) ale niestety ma już swój zespół..... <br /> <br />Tylko nie wiadomo czy to wszsytko prawda co Toumas na nią mówi teraz.....może oficjalnie jest tak, a Toumas i Tarja tylko znają pawde.....</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Angelina</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Nie 22:17, 30 Paź 2005<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Ze sobie poradzi to pewne <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" border="0" /> Nightwish tworza nadal wspaniali muzycy i to sie nie zmieni <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif" alt="Cool" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Varpunen</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Nie 12:50, 30 Paź 2005<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">No to Tarję wywalili <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" border="0" /> <br />Po przemyśleniu wszystkiego, myślę, że Tuo z chłopakami postąpili dobrze. Żaden człowiek nie jest niezastąpiony i myślę, że na miejsce Tarji wejdzie jakaś dobra wokalistka, która nie podda się mediom tak jak Turunen... Co nie zmienia faktu, że to właśnie ona była z zespołem od samego początku, od nastrojowych dem i niewinnych piosenek z AFF... Ale jednak - chociaż śpiewała cudownie, zamieniła się w Divę i nie pasuje już do "tego" Nightwisha... <br />Właściwie to... Szkoda mi jej <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" border="0" /> Zaczyna solową karierę? No, no, no ciekawe <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> Powiem jedno: nie mam zamiaru tego słuchać... <br />Dla mnie Tarja istniała TYLKO z NW, NW bez Tarji - poradzi sobie. Napewno <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Sandrine</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Śro 17:12, 26 Paź 2005<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">No właśnie takie śpiewanie pod publiczność....dobrze, że chociaż na koncertach mają dawną moc....</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Hermiona</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Czw 18:26, 20 Paź 2005<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">heh a ja się zgadzam z tym ze robią się nieco komercyjni. Nie znam za dobrze tego zespołu ale wyczówam róznice w brzmienu pomiędzy 1 krążkami a Once.. <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Sandrine</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Czw 7:12, 20 Paź 2005<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">A mi tam obojętnie czy w halach czy w festiwalach, tylko by dobrze grali....</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Varpunen</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Sob 12:54, 15 Paź 2005<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Ja w ogóle nie jestem zwolenniczką wszelakich festiwali... ... ... Wole koncerty w halach (dobrze ja to napisalam? lol) <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Sandrine</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Sob 10:39, 15 Paź 2005<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">oj tak....np. w niemczech jakos lepiej wszystko wyszło....</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Varpunen</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Pią 21:06, 14 Paź 2005<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Aj, mam cały koncert w chałupie, ale nigdy calego nie przesluchalam... <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" border="0" /> Zresztą i tak moge stwierdzic, ze polscy organizatorzy dali plame <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="Rolling Eyes" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Sandrine</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Pią 7:50, 14 Paź 2005<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I bardzo dobrze....chociaż ten koncert w polsce w Chorzowie.....coś jej parę piosenek nie wyszło....</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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